$250k/no Supernova Elite in 2008 Progress Thread [was $100k]

[spoonitnow]

Hah, this is 999th post.

So I want to make $100k in 2008 or whatever. I figure I owe it to my adoring fans to track my progress here.

CURRENT PROGRESS: $0/$100,000

Looks like I've got a bit to go lol.

Edit: Fuck all of that $100k shit. I'm going for $250k and Supernova Elite. This post a little further down explains a bit.

[biondino]

gl 'poon!

[XTR1000]

go spoon

[daven]

punch it dude

[PapalRage]

gogogogogo

[badgers]

Awesome goal spoon!

Best of luck!

[Robb]

Grind away!! Good luck, man.

[jyms]

$100,000/365 = $273 a day

1ptbb/100 ($200NL) = $40/1000 = 2,500,000 hands

2ptbb/100 ($200NL) =$80/1000 = 1,250,000 hands


Tough call at $100NL but when you move up and with your ability to put in hands, this should be achievable.

GL, I would love to see you make it.



is this math correct?

[spoonitnow]

$100,000/365 = $273 a day

1ptbb/100 ($200NL) = $40/1000 = 2,500,000 hands

2ptbb/100 ($200NL) =$80/1000 = 1,250,000 hands


Tough call at $100NL but when you move up and with your ability to put in hands, this should be achievable.

GL, I would love to see you make it.



is this math correct?

There's 366 days in 2008.

$100000 = 50000 ptbb @ 100nl

So at 2 ptbb/100, it would take 2,500,000 hands, so you're right about 200nl at 1ptbb/100 taking the same amount of hands.

Fun news for those who aren't aware: Supernova at full ring 100nl is worth about 1 ptbb/100 by the $1500 bonuses alone, not counting whatever milestone bonuses I pick up.

I'll obviously be moving up at some point that is very likely to be before or on February 1st, but I've moved up to 16 tables and have maintained my win-rate (over 3 ptbb/100) so far at 100nl while I work on maintaining my 16/14 stats without trailing off to 13/11 or so towards the end of sessions and while I also work on my blinds.

So, just at 100nl making a ghetto-fabulous 1000+ hands/hour, it's not going to be all that bad I don't think.

I'll be posting a long-ish update thread every week, but so far...

$1104.75/$100000 with a $1500 bonus almost cleared

[UG]

so with bonuses, if you play a shit load, this should be somewhat easy for you to do, no?


good luck bro

[spoonitnow]

so with bonuses, if you play a shit load, this should be somewhat easy for you to do, no?


good luck bro

Yes, and thanks

If by April/May it looks like I'm going to get there too easily for my own taste, I'll probably jack it up to $150k or so.

[Miffed22001]

i recommend a prop bet

btw, what do you recommend if, like me, 100k for the year is last years news?

[spoonitnow]

i recommend a prop bet

btw, what do you recommend if, like me, 100k for the year is last years news?

Stop hitting fucking BBJ's

[spoonitnow]

I've decided to add an update to this thread every 2-3 days or so with the following format:

After January 5th Sessions

Current Progress: $1796.60/$100000

At current pace, I'll make $131511.12

[wufwugy]

Hmmm maybe I should one up you here. Eh I don't play enough.

gl

[bigspenda73]

include #of hands plz

[spoonitnow]

include #of hands plz

Okay dokey.

End of January 6

Hands: 21561
Profit: $1760.10
Win-rate: 4.08 ptbb/100

[wufwugy]

Wait you've played 20k in one week?. Goddamn I wish I could grind. How many tables you playing now?

[pgil]

great zombie jesus, >20000 hands is basically 2 months for me.

Now I am jealous.

[spoonitnow]

Wait you've played 20k in one week?. Goddamn I wish I could grind. How many tables you playing now?

That was done 14 and 16-tabling 100nl. I'm starting to 8-12 table 200nl too though.

[spoonitnow]

End of January 8th

Current Progress: $1400.15/$100000

100nl hands: 21564, +$1759.60
200nl hands: 6956, -$359.45

I run bad at 200nl. I could write a couple of paragraphs about this, but the gist of it is that AA is my worst hand profit-wise so far and I'm between -$600 and -$700 from where I would be on average with all-in hands.

I'm not really one to whine about running bad or whatever, but just to give you an idea, from Setometer's flop situation data, I'm down with sets vs overpairs and sets vs under-sets.

It's lolable that I'm running this bad and if there was no rake I'd be ahead.

[spoonitnow]

I posted a thread in BC showing how bad I'm running at 200nl but it's all good.

I'm considering going for Supernova Elite. Thoughts?

[XTR1000]

I'm considering going for Supernova Elite. Thoughts?

Who else if not you? (Appr. 2M hands @1/2, right?)

sick amount of hands/week btw, 20k hands is probably what I´ll get logged in a month or more

[bode]

you cant be that far behind setzy/renton's pace right now. why not go for SNE?

[kingnat]

blow a load in your gf's no-no place and then go for it.

[spoonitnow]

So I started with some quick calculations based around the idea of getting Supernova Elite. I need 1 million VPPs, which is a little less than 2 million hands of 200nl at PokerStars, and gives me about 3.65 million FPPs. With the milestone bonuses and regular $1500 bonuses, I figure that I'll pick up $79,000 in bonuses with the FPPs based on playing 2,085,000 hands.

I pull the figure 2,085,000 hands out of the fact that if I play 7000 hands on Saturday-Wednesday and 3000 hands on Thursday and Friday for the remainder of the year then that's how many hands I will have played. This is like just over 40 hours a week for me, and isn't really that big of a deal. At 2 ptbb/100, which is an underestimation of my average win-rate for the year at 200nl, I'll make like $166,800 in winnings. Yadda yadda yadda, this comes to $245,800, and with all of the other crap you get from making Supernova Elite (over $30k worth of stuff), a decent goal seems to be $250k for the year.

So here I'll also keep up with how ahead/behind I am in hands and all that shit.

[ProZachNation]

good luck and Godspeed

[pgil]

it's kind of funny how at the beginning of january this was a "make 100,000 this year" thread, and now it's not even halfway through and it's up to 250k. that is impressive. gl

[PapalRage]

Supernova Elite

kill it

[pankfish]

Dude, you are gonna have to get your own place if you make $250k this year. Just sayin..

[XTR1000]

GL dude, I´m sure you´ll make it

[spoonitnow]

Dude, you are gonna have to get your own place if you make $250k this year. Just sayin..

Getting my place before then obv, but I could always pull a bmxicle.

[EzDuzIt]

GL spoon. i think its going to be hard to keep putting in as many hands as you are though unless you dont burn out like normal people do.

[spoonitnow]

GL spoon. i think its going to be hard to keep putting in as many hands as you are though unless you dont burn out like normal people do.

I'm a fucking bot obv.

[spoonitnow]

(1/12/08) Today I played 7091 hands for $1218.20 and also finished clearing a $1500 bonus.

Profit this Year: $5054.40

[spoonitnow]

(1/13/08) Today I played 7062 hands for $431.30 and ran like horse shit in the process.

Profit this Year: $5485.70

This is after 21.6k hands of 100nl and 25.8k hands of 200nl.

[bode]

(1/13/08) Today I played 7062 hands for $431.30 and ran like horse shit in the process.

Profit this Year: $5485.70

This is after 21.6k hands of 100nl and 25.8k hands of 200nl.

is your $1500 bonus included in that?

[spoonitnow]

(1/13/08) Today I played 7062 hands for $431.30 and ran like horse shit in the process.

Profit this Year: $5485.70

This is after 21.6k hands of 100nl and 25.8k hands of 200nl.

is your $1500 bonus included in that?

In the profit yes.

I'll break it up by stakes and bonuses later, but figured 2 weeks in that it's ok to lump it all together.

[AHiltz]

Keep it going guys. I don't envy the amount of hands you have to put in, but the $$ is nice.

[spoonitnow]

(1/14/08) Today started off as a KK vs. AA festival and inside of my first 500 hands I was down $500. However, inside of 7032 hands today, I managed to pull out of it for a profit of $1,377.70. Holla.

Here are my totals so far for this year:

100nl: 21,564 hands, +$1,759.60, 4.08 ptbb/100
200nl: 32,813 hands, +$3,603.80, 2.75 ptbb/100
Bonuses: $1,500.00

Total Profit: $6,863.40

[ChrisTheFish]

gogogogogogo, start 20-24 tabling imo.

[wesrman]

Do you ever have losing days??? and doesn't multi tabling hurt your ability to read your opponents???

Good luck...

[ProZachNation]

I just read your first post than you 1k post, you really are an inspiration.

Are you able to take notes on players doing that many tables or do you get reads just from HuD?

[spoonitnow]

gogogogogogo, start 20-24 tabling imo.

Starting 18 next week, gl me.

Do you ever have losing days??? and doesn't multi tabling hurt your ability to read your opponents???

Good luck...

Yes, I have losing days, but I tend to have more winning days and my winning days tend to be more than what I lose. Multi-tabling doesn't bother me all that much, but if [when] I eventually switch over to 6-max, I'll obviously have to drop a lot of tables. And thanks.

I just read your first post than you 1k post, you really are an inspiration.

Are you able to take notes on players doing that many tables or do you get reads just from HuD?

I wouldn't go so far as to say an inspiration, but thank you. I take a lot of notes on players and I also use a HUD. In my notes I use a bit of a short-hand to speed things up though.

Then again, some of my notes are also like "stupid bastard".

[BigBadBull]

Good luck dude, I hope you kill it.
Any plans on getting the Vantage by the end of the year?

[BigBadBull]

Stupid question, but I was wondering how other people play if they want to put in loads of hours- what's you schedule like?
I mean, do you play like 6 hours mon-thur and 10hours thur-mon? Try to play more on weekends(i assume games are softer on weekends)? Do you play night/day time?

[spoonitnow]

Stupid question, but I was wondering how other people play if they want to put in loads of hours- what's you schedule like?
I mean, do you play like 6 hours mon-thur and 10hours thur-mon? Try to play more on weekends(i assume games are softer on weekends)? Do you play night/day time?

I get up around 6-6:30 am daily and usually start playing by 8 am. I play about 4 hours or so then grab some food. I come back, finish up with another 3-4 hours or so depending on the day it is, and I'm done.

Day-by-day though, I tend to play 7-8 hours on Saturday thru Wednesday, and only play in the mornings on Thursday and Friday because my girlfriend is off work those days.

[allabout]

Just curious, why do you plan to switch to 6 max if you're killing full ring? What kind of stats are you running? Thanks man and good luck!

[wesrman]

Just curious, why do you plan to switch to 6 max if you're killing full ring? What kind of stats are you running? Thanks man and good luck!

Was wondering the same thing. If it was me, i wouldn't change a thing.

[spoonitnow]

Just curious, why do you plan to switch to 6 max if you're killing full ring? What kind of stats are you running? Thanks man and good luck!

Was wondering the same thing. If it was me, i wouldn't change a thing.

After 200nl full ring gets a lot harder, especially in terms of improving hourly win-rate. Eventually I want to get as comfortable with 6-max as I am in full ring because the short-handed play requires you to be a much better player, and well, I want to become a better player obviously. Also, to get much past 200nl full ring I'm going to have to work on my game in a way that I figure I only can by starting up at 6-max.

At 200nl so far this year I've been 14.5/12.7/4.2 and at 2.61 ptbb/100 after 40k hands. I've ran about 1.5-2 VP$P/PFR lower than I did at 100nl because at 200nl you don't have so many people who just give you their blinds and limped bets for hundreds of hands at a time.

When it comes down to it, I'm just not a good poker player. This is going to sound retarded as hell to a lot of small stakes and micro stakes guys, but it's the truth. Moving to 6-max will force me to get better if I want to become successful.

[spoonitnow]

(1/15/08) Today was a normal day. Nothing really new to note except I talked to this new guy wesrman a lot in AIM. I played 7023 hands for $555.55 (lol no shit).

Saturday I was going to try 18-tabling and see how I do for the day, but I think I'll try it on Friday instead since I'm only planning 3000 hands that day as opposed to 7000 hands on Saturday. If I'm cool with it then I'll continue 18-tabling on Saturday.

[wesrman]

When it comes down to it, I'm just not a good poker player. This is going to sound retarded as hell to a lot of small stakes and micro stakes guys, but it's the truth. Moving to 6-max will force me to get better if I want to become successful.

Yes this sounds retarded as hell to me ! ! ! !
But i guess the best way to enure that you continue to improve is to never be satisfied with how how good you are.

I see your point about the six max taking more skill though.

Good luck...

[spoonitnow]

When it comes down to it, I'm just not a good poker player. This is going to sound retarded as hell to a lot of small stakes and micro stakes guys, but it's the truth. Moving to 6-max will force me to get better if I want to become successful.

Yes this sounds retarded as hell to me ! ! ! !
But i guess the best way to enure that you continue to improve is to never be satisfied with how how good you are.

I see your point about the six max taking more skill though.

Good luck...

I'm not too worried about it because I know that with how I continue to study and try to improve that I'll get better over time. Part of what will facilitate my growth will be switching over to 6-max, although I'll continue to play full ring as well.

[XTR1000]

Just curious, why do you plan to switch to 6 max if you're killing full ring? What kind of stats are you running? Thanks man and good luck!

Was wondering the same thing. If it was me, i wouldn't change a thing.

After 200nl full ring gets a lot harder, especially in terms of improving hourly win-rate. Eventually I want to get as comfortable with 6-max as I am in full ring because the short-handed play requires you to be a much better player, and well, I want to become a better player obviously. Also, to get much past 200nl full ring I'm going to have to work on my game in a way that I figure I only can by starting up at 6-max.

At 200nl so far this year I've been 14.5/12.7/4.2 and at 2.61 ptbb/100 after 40k hands. I've ran about 1.5-2 VP$P/PFR lower than I did at 100nl because at 200nl you don't have so many people who just give you their blinds and limped bets for hundreds of hands at a time.

When it comes down to it, I'm just not a good poker player. This is going to sound retarded as hell to a lot of small stakes and micro stakes guys, but it's the truth. Moving to 6-max will force me to get better if I want to become successful.

I think playing 6max is crucial even if you´re not aiming to swith tables completely, in order to progress as a player. Overall postflop skills, adjusting, thin vbetting and tons of other concepts are improved at 6max, simply b/c tough postflop decision occure more frequently. With how many short handed tables will you be comfortable?

I´m mixing in 6max sessions since my OP started and it´s the best thing one can do. If you consider yourself not a good player many ppl here, me included) are probably way worse.

[spoonitnow]

After talking with some people and reading the blogs of people who have went after Supernova Elite (and made it last year), I've decided that I can make a similar amount of money by playing less and working on my game/6-max more.

There's a commune thread about it.

[Outlaw]

Hey man, I'm a fellow North Carolinian (Charlotte Area.)

Good luck on your endeavor, it looks like you are on track already. I hope I can have your kind of success in as short amount of time as you have.

I have just started playing ring games and found the 6-max games a LOT more fun, if nothing else. No more sitting around waiting for hands.. grab QJs+ from 3rd position and fire away. Its all position, position, position.

Watch those videos by Max Steinberg and Johnny Cosmo if you haven't already.. they are 6-handed pros.

ttp://www.donkeytest.com/school.html

Once again, good luck! I'm looking forward to watching your progress!

O

[biondino]

Hey spoon, I am a bit concerned that you're not emotionally prepared for a) the first big downswing and b) the fact that you ain't gonna make $250k. Tell me I'm wrong?

[biondino]

(btw honestly, I'm not trying to be a dick or anything, but it's an element of this thread which hasn't been approached yet, and you do seem to have a huge sense of confidence that your successes so far can be maintained)

[kevster]

Spoon,

I was interested to read your comments about 6-max. Since starting to play cash last year, I've only ever tried 6-max (albeit only at 10 & 25NL). Is there any merit in trying full ring to improve my game or should I just stick with 6-max.

Apologies for the partial thread hijack.

[spoonitnow]

Hey spoon, I am a bit concerned that you're not emotionally prepared for a) the first big downswing and b) the fact that you ain't gonna make $250k. Tell me I'm wrong?

I've been through pretty big downswings (ranging from 20 to 40 buy-ins) without a problem, and I would be absolutely thrilled if I made $50k this year. Emotionally I'm in pretty good shape.

The goal of $250k is something I've decided on because it's a nice round even number that I think I can get if I work hard for it. To give you an idea, if I just played 20 hours a week at just 1 ptbb/100 at 200nl, I'd make over $60k this year.

(btw honestly, I'm not trying to be a dick or anything, but it's an element of this thread which hasn't been approached yet, and you do seem to have a huge sense of confidence that your successes so far can be maintained)

No problem. =) I have confidence in my game because I'm a long-term winner at 100nl, working on being a long-term winner at 200nl, and I play on a really deep bankroll. Also I know that with the way I monitor myself and analyze my results, I'll see if something is going askew before it becomes a big deal. I work on my game in some way every single day because I've seen what happens when you get too comfortable with yourself.

Spoon,

I was interested to read your comments about 6-max. Since starting to play cash last year, I've only ever tried 6-max (albeit only at 10 & 25NL). Is there any merit in trying full ring to improve my game or should I just stick with 6-max.

Apologies for the partial thread hijack.

There's a thread in the full ring forum (pretty sure it's a sticky) where Renton describes a lot of reasons that people could/should play full ring instead of 6-max. If you're coming from an MTT background, it's probably easier to make the transition to full ring cash.

In the long run I don't know which it would be better to start with as long as you're open and honest with yourself about improving and learning.

[spoonitnow]

Here's an update. I've started playing a little 50nl 6-max in an effort to ease into it but I'm still keeping 200nl full ring as my main game. Also, today I stepped up to 18-tabling on PokerStars and I felt fine with it. In a few weeks I'll likely step it up to 20 after I've taken care of any weird things that happen to my play due to adding tables.

So far this year I'm pretty happy with what's been going on. Here are my year-to-date results:

100nl FR: 21,564 hands, +$1,759.60, 4.08 ptbb/100
200nl FR: 42,746 hands, +$5,534.40, 3.24 ptbb/100
50nl 6max: 2,258 hands, +$353.85, lol ptbb/100
Bonuses: +$1,500.00

Totals: 66,568 hands, +$9147.85

[XTR1000]

spoon, you´re my hero. no joke.

Since we´re both making the transistion from fr to 6max, are you interested in swapping a couple of hands and review each others session biweekly or so?

[HiLo]

i'm impressed with amount of tables you can manage - what's your VPIP?

[spoonitnow]

i'm impressed with amount of tables you can manage - what's your VPIP?

I run about 14.5/13 or so. I'm working on getting that up around 16.5/15, where I think I play more optimally.

[mrhappy333]

very tight, right?

[spoonitnow]

very tight, right?

Somewhat tight, but not really. It's more of a moderate tightness than being outright tight or loose really. If I play 6-max and I play the same hands that I would if it was a 9-handed table and the first 3 players folded, then I run something like 21/16.

[Andrew]

Good luck Spoon, all I can say is wow....I'll be cheering you on the whole time.

[spoonitnow]

Good luck Spoon, all I can say is wow....I'll be cheering you on the whole time.

Thanks man.

(1/29) So it's been a while since an update since I haven't gotten to play very much because of some family problems going on, but I thought I'd drop a line and let you guys know what's going on.

First off, I started running really, really bad at 200nl again, much like I did at the beginning of the month. I'm not going to whine or anything, but just to give you an idea, I'm down about $2000 in all-in EV according to PokerEV.

Second off, these days I'm breaking my sessions up a bit differently. My morning session is still my main game, 200nl FR, and I'm usually playing 18-20 tables. Then in the afternoon, sometimes I'm playing more 200nl FR and sometimes I'm playing 100nl 6-max. I'm only 2 and 4-tabling 6-max right now and taking a lot of time on the details of hands that I play.

So for results, here's what I've got so far:

100nl -- 21,564 hands -- +$1,759.60, 4.08 ptbb/100
200nl -- 68,069 hands -- +$5,983.15, *2.20 ptbb/100
Others** -- 2,829 hands -- +$310.23, 11.47 ptbb/100
Bonuses -- $3,000.00

Total Profit: $11,052.98

*My win-rate would be 2.9-3.0 ptbb/100 if my damn all-in EV would straighten itself out.
**This includes 100nl 6-max, 100nl HU, 50nl 6-max, and 50nl HU.

[HeAVyB101]

Spoon,

I was just wondering if you would ever consider making a video of one of your sessions. I'm not talking about discussing any of your plays, it doesn't even need to have sound. I would just be interested, as I'm sure many others would be, to just watch you play and learn from it.

[spoonitnow]

Spoon,

I was just wondering if you would ever consider making a video of one of your sessions. I'm not talking about discussing any of your plays, it doesn't even need to have sound. I would just be interested, as I'm sure many others would be, to just watch you play and learn from it.

Hell I might, let me see what I can do.

Btw, I broke $12k today for the month so I probably won't play tomorrow. Holla.

[kevster]

Don't stop the music spoon - loving this thread.

[mrhappy333]

video please!

[spoonitnow]

video please!

Working on that. I've recorded two at 50nl, but the audio is getting way out of sync and I'm trying to figure out why.

[kevster]

Bump. What's happening spoon?

[spoonitnow]

February sucked on soooo many levels. Had a lot of health problems going on for numerous individuals in my family, ended up over moving the last few days, and in general ran bad at life. It's all good though.

So to start things off, I ran really, really bad at 200nl, then I started playing bad, and then I had to withdraw for taxes and drop to 100nl. I’ve had so much family stuff going on and I’ve also been moving the last few days of this month (or I would have cleared a $1500 bonus) so I guess everything has really come together to take it’s toll on me. I’d like to note that PokerEV tells me that my 100nl win-rate should have been about 0.5 ptbb/100 higher than it is because I ran bad at all-ins. Anyway, here it is:

$0.50/1.00 Full Ring No-Limit Hold’em
Hands: 34,681
Profit: $2,462.15
Win-rate: +3.55 ptbb/100

$1.00/2.00 Full Ring No-Limit Hold’em
Hands: 32,996
Profit: -$2,563.15
Win-rate: -1.94 ptbb/100

Total Profit: -$101.00
Total Hours Played: 72.28

What’s kind of awesome though is that even though winnings-wise I finished down about $100, with just a few more hours of play I would have cleared that $1500 bonus for a net profit on the month of about $1400 which is almost $20/hour. I have to laugh at this considering how badly I ran at 200nl this month.

I’ve finally gotten moved into my apartment for the most part, but my computer is still here at my parents since I don’t have Internet access at the apartment just yet (it’s getting turned on later this week). I’ve have apartment pictures up around that same time.

So, after a somewhat dismal February, I’ve decided that March is going to be more about the grind than anything else. My goal for March is to play 100,000 hands of 100nl full ring and run +5 ptbb/100. This isn’t a particularly easy goal, but I think I can pull it off.